Comments on: 2006 World of Pinot Noir – Seminar on Clones http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/ Where an enthusiasm for wine gets personal Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:14:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pat Peacock http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-585254 Pat Peacock Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:44:14 +0000 http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/25/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/#comment-585254 I'm looking for Pinot noir clones to try in the West Virginia panhandle. I've planted more than 60 varieties of grapes and rootstocks here. Anything that ripens when Cabernet franc clone 1 ripens works well. The lowest temperature in the last 10 years has been -4F. The topography is as good as anything found in Virginia. Peach orchards are everywhere, 2 feet of beige clay loam, and any aspect you want. If you add phosphate and lime, all the Cornell heritage varieties that I have tried consistently produce. I tried Merlot and was totally disappointed. Nasty, shaggy clusters, and Crown Gall. After 5 years, I took it out, with a lot of cursing. Last year I ordered Pinot noir DVIT0911 and DVIT0912 from USDA Davis and top grafted it to commercially available Concord grapes (it's a long story). There are 50+ year old Concords here that have survived -17F winters and serious attacks by Phyloxera. I suspect Concords are resistant to Phyloxera nd Grape Root Borers, which destroy vineyards more than 12 years old in Virginia. CloneDVIT0911 is susceptible to couloir; clone DVIT0912 is the strangest grape I have ever seen, and it appears to be doing well. The rachis is too small for the cluster so parts of the rachis break off. It could be the Concord rootstock, which is very vigorous. The rest of the cluster seems healthy. From this seminar, I am looking at Pommard because of the clay soil, clone 115 because it is a workhorse, and Swann (sp?). In the West Virginia panhandle, we have a wet spring. In La Ninia years, the summer has a drought with high humidity, and late varieties, like Black Spanish and Hubermont ripen. In any year, the grapes should be out of the fields before the hurricanes hit in mid- to late September. In years that are not La Ninia years, rainfall is consistent throughout the season, the nights are cool(around 70F), and downy mildew is a problem. From what I have seen with Black Spanish and the DVIT0911 Pinot Noir, couloir is a serious problem. Rootstocks that work well in my soil are 5BB for weak vines, and 101-14 Mgt for vigorous vines. Your advice is appreciate. Thank you. Pat Peacock I’m looking for Pinot noir clones to try in the West Virginia panhandle. I’ve planted more than 60 varieties of grapes and rootstocks here. Anything that ripens when Cabernet franc clone 1 ripens works well. The lowest temperature in the last 10 years has been -4F. The topography is as good as anything found in Virginia. Peach orchards are everywhere, 2 feet of beige clay loam, and any aspect you want. If you add phosphate and lime, all the Cornell heritage varieties that I have tried consistently produce.

I tried Merlot and was totally disappointed. Nasty, shaggy clusters, and Crown Gall. After 5 years, I took it out, with a lot of cursing. Last year I ordered Pinot noir DVIT0911 and DVIT0912 from USDA Davis and top grafted it to commercially available Concord grapes (it’s a long story). There are 50+ year old Concords here that have survived -17F winters and serious attacks by Phyloxera. I suspect Concords are resistant to Phyloxera nd Grape Root Borers, which destroy vineyards more than 12 years old in Virginia. CloneDVIT0911 is susceptible to couloir; clone DVIT0912 is the strangest grape I have ever seen, and it appears to be doing well. The rachis is too small for the cluster so parts of the rachis break off. It could be the Concord rootstock, which is very vigorous. The rest of the cluster seems healthy.

From this seminar, I am looking at Pommard because of the clay soil, clone 115 because it is a workhorse, and Swann (sp?).

In the West Virginia panhandle, we have a wet spring. In La Ninia years, the summer has a drought with high humidity, and late varieties, like Black Spanish and Hubermont ripen. In any year, the grapes should be out of the fields before the hurricanes hit in mid- to late September. In years that are not La Ninia years, rainfall is consistent throughout the season, the nights are cool(around 70F), and downy mildew is a problem. From what I have seen with Black Spanish and the DVIT0911 Pinot Noir, couloir is a serious problem. Rootstocks that work well in my soil are 5BB for weak vines, and 101-14 Mgt for vigorous vines.

Your advice is appreciate.
Thank you.

Pat Peacock

]]> By: Troy Hager http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-102348 Troy Hager Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:59:56 +0000 http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/25/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/#comment-102348 Hi, This was a great podcast and I have gone back to the archives and listened to many of your episodes and I am so impressed. This is truely high quality stuff. I am a home wine maker planting a small vineyard in my back yard in the Santa Cruz Mountains in Pinot and the information on your site has been a huge education for me - going right to the source of some of the premeire US pinot producers. I truely thank you. You are doing a great service and hope you keep this up. I fully support what you are doing! More pinot episodes!!! This is great!!! Troy Hi,

This was a great podcast and I have gone back to the archives and listened to many of your episodes and I am so impressed. This is truely high quality stuff. I am a home wine maker planting a small vineyard in my back yard in the Santa Cruz Mountains in Pinot and the information on your site has been a huge education for me – going right to the source of some of the premeire US pinot producers.

I truely thank you. You are doing a great service and hope you keep this up. I fully support what you are doing!

More pinot episodes!!! This is great!!!

Troy

]]> By: Spencer http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-88782 Spencer Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:47:57 +0000 http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/25/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/#comment-88782 Great show. One thing that I have learned from listening to the Grape Radio podcasts is that wine makers are generally very willing to share the "secrets of their success" with others. It is very refreshing to hear so many examples of well known wine makers helping out others who may just be getting started in the business and who may eventually become competitors. In just about any other business, if someone develops a successful product, they protect it like Ft. Knox protects its gold. When was the last time Coca Cola published the formula to its drink? Yet, as soon as someone in the wine business develops a "better grape" they share it with the world. Which brings me to a question. Do vineyards usually charge the person to whom they are providing their clone? Does Swan get a "royalty" each time someone else plants some of their clones? Or is this all done for free? Seems to me like it would be next to impossible to control the sharing of a clone once it got out into the open market. Great show. One thing that I have learned from listening to the Grape Radio podcasts is that wine makers are generally very willing to share the “secrets of their success” with others. It is very refreshing to hear so many examples of well known wine makers helping out others who may just be getting started in the business and who may eventually become competitors. In just about any other business, if someone develops a successful product, they protect it like Ft. Knox protects its gold. When was the last time Coca Cola published the formula to its drink? Yet, as soon as someone in the wine business develops a “better grape” they share it with the world.
Which brings me to a question. Do vineyards usually charge the person to whom they are providing their clone? Does Swan get a “royalty” each time someone else plants some of their clones? Or is this all done for free? Seems to me like it would be next to impossible to control the sharing of a clone once it got out into the open market.

]]> By: David http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-88734 David Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:02:51 +0000 http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/25/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/#comment-88734 Great show! The discussion at the opening by Carole was great. Lots of information and all well presented by the panel. Great job guys! Great show! The discussion at the opening by Carole was great. Lots of information and all well presented by the panel. Great job guys!

]]> By: Tim Meranda http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-84284 Tim Meranda Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:14:00 +0000 http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/25/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/#comment-84284 Nice show. It greatly expanded my knowledge about just what a clone was. Is it possible to get information so I can order some of the wines tasted so I can try to taste the differences? Also thanks about the tip on the video blog. Nice show. It greatly expanded my knowledge about just what a clone was. Is it possible to get information so I can order some of the wines tasted so I can try to taste the differences? Also thanks about the tip on the video blog.

]]> By: Alan http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-83868 Alan Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:26:01 +0000 http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/25/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/#comment-83868 I thought this was a great snapshot of the flavor and character profiles of a few of the vast number of Pinot Noir Clones. I think it is a fantastic resource you guys are providing this info to those of us who couldn't be there. Thank you and Thanks to Josh at the "pinotblogger.com" for the link. Alan I thought this was a great snapshot of the flavor and character profiles of a few of the vast number of Pinot Noir Clones. I think it is a fantastic resource you guys are providing this info to those of us who couldn’t be there. Thank you and Thanks to Josh at the “pinotblogger.com” for the link.

Alan

]]> By: Clint Slagle http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/26/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/comment-page-1/#comment-83850 Clint Slagle Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:29:35 +0000 http://www.graperadio.com/archives/2007/02/25/2006-world-of-pinot-noir-seminar-on-clones/#comment-83850 This show went a long way in my understanding of wine and vines. I have always heard a lot about "Clones" but really did not understand what he heck it meant. Thanks from doing what you do. CS This show went a long way in my understanding of wine and vines. I have always heard a lot about “Clones” but really did not understand what he heck it meant. Thanks from doing what you do. CS

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