Pairing Wine with Cheese – Myth or Reality?


Apparently, ‘all roads lead to cheese,’ at least it did so for identical twins, Michael and Charlie Kalish.

Michael Kalish began his food career in commercial beekeeping in Santa Barbara County and got his first taste of wine and cheese while working for a cheese shop and joining a wine crush in Healdsburg, California. He was the first American to receive formal training in dairy and meat processing in the Piedmont, Italy, at l’istituto lattiero caseario e delle tecnologie agroalimentari. He has since worked for, and trained under, some of Europe’s finest artisan cheese makers and affineurs (professional cheese agers), including Mons, Fromager et Affineur (FR) and Luigi Guffanti (IT). In the USA, Michael managed operations for Artisanal Premium Cheese in NYC and has taught affinage and cheesemaking workshops United State and Australia. He is a winner of Food Network’s Great Food Truck Race (Series 7) and a Chopped finalist (Episode: Twins for the Win).

Charlie Kalish is a cheese industry professional and expert on French and American artisan cheese. He obtained his training in traditional French cheesemaking in central and southern France, making cow, goat and sheep milk cheese. He trained in affinage (professional cheese aging) with two of the world’s leading cheese aging companies, Mons Fromager et Affineur in France’s Rhône Alps and Cellars of Jasper Hill in Vermont. He is a contributor to Cheese Connoisseur magazine and active member of the American cheese community, leading industry workshops to cheesemakers across the USA and Australia.

Join us for this fascinating conversation with Michael and Charlie about cheese, and how well it can pair with wine.

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The Cheese Twins: Cheese Twins

Served with Rosé
Cremont, Vermont Creamery
Humboldt Fog, Cypress Grove

Served with Chardonnay
St. Stephen, Four Fat Fowl
Flagship, Beecher’s Handmade Cheese
Cabot Clothbound Cheddar, Cellars of Jasper Hill

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Cremont, Vermont Creamery

Humboldt Fog, Cypress Grove

St. Stephen, Four Fat Fowl

Flagship, Beecher’s Handmade Cheese

Cabot Clothbound Cheddar, Cellars of Jasper Hill

4 Responses to “Pairing Wine with Cheese – Myth or Reality?”

  1. 1 Ed Skupien Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:36 pm
  2. 2 scott patrick Dec 29th, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    Fantastic show as always.

    I sent an email, but never got a reply, is there any way to access your old catalogue of episodes? There are so many that I want to listen to!


  3. 3 GrapeRadio Bunch Mar 19th, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    Hello Scott!

    Sorry about the late response to your question. As the costs for storage rise, we felt it prudent to cut back our archive and reduce our storage fees. Since our site is free to use, it was the one area where we had some ability to reduce our costs. Hope you understand.

  4. 4 Scott Patrick Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:41 pm

    Hey, thanks for the reply! Had a little think.
    If I post you a hard drive, could I grab the archive and I’ll create a grape radio archive on YouTube and upload all the past episodes there (there’s some real gems that it’d be a shame for them to disappear forever out of the public sphere).

    If the general idea is acceptable to you email me and we’ll talk about the details of getting it done.


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